Well I said I would.............

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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by amulheirn » Tue May 01, 2018 12:27 pm

Hi - might be worth starting a new thread on this. But having just done this, I can tell you that you don't need to submit the V5 - that is only required at registration stage, not IVA stage.

At IVA they only need your application form, an 'amateur build declaration form', a build log of sorts that shows you built it yourself (e.g. photos and receipts), and the engine age so that they can do the correct emissions test on your car.

Send me a PM and I will give you my phone number. Might be able to scan and send over my completed IVA form if that helps.
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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by KevinW » Tue May 01, 2018 5:38 pm

Apologies for the dog leg in the thread - pm sent.
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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by Cotton Mouth » Wed May 02, 2018 2:24 am

Dog leg? what dog leg? You should read some of ramblings I have put on here! Put in a U turn if you'd like.

Completing the form isn't hard, its just concerning just how little applies to our cars and leaving the rest blank. If you submit a paper copy and get it wrong, they will send the papers back to you again after a couple of weeks. I wonder how I know that one?

The IVA guidance suggests a letter from some form of acknowledged authority will be sufficient to establish engine age. I have this address for Ford: Technical Information centre, Ford Motor Company, PO Box 300, Walsall, WS5 4QH - has anyone written to them with success or has anyone used a different source? Normally I would just write and see but my IVA application has been accepted, time is short, oh, and the clutch doesn't work due to the wrong throw out bearing - my fault not anyone elses' - so the engine and all the ancillaries are spread over the garage and work has stopped until the parts arrive. I can hear the Python refrain, Always look on the bright side..............

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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by KevinW » Wed May 02, 2018 2:36 pm

ah, I am sorted on the engine age front - I have certification from Mike Huddart who I believe is recognised by VOSA/DVSA or whatever they call themselves now.

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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by Cotton Mouth » Fri Jul 06, 2018 9:00 pm

Dear All,

Well I went for my IVA test - and failed spectacularly. I shall recount the ghastly experience so that when you go and have problems you can say "well, by comparison (however bad it was), that was a success". Before I go any farther, the examiner was charming and very helpful and any problems with the test are down to me.

As to proof of engine I produced a letter from the a specialist engine company stating the age and the examiner said that he would "check it against our list". The impression that I got was not of a specific list but of a check to see if they were genuine or not. The letter was sufficient. At this point I reversed the car off the trailer and the immobiliser cut in cutting all power to the car. The battery had 12.6v on it and was fully charged and Stu made manful efforts to provide a solution but as it still hasn't stated nearly ten days later - yes I needed time to lick my wounds before confessing my sins to the congregation. I had had problems with the immobiliser about two weeks before the test with exactly the same problems that had then sorted themselves spontaneously. I finally managed to get power back to the electrical system so that could be checked - all passed except the from the front indicators that were 10mm too low. They were very interested in the latching relay powering the rear fog light. We then had the delight of pushing the car to the various parts of the test. All the fixings were perfect except a single wire across the rear of the car where I had missed putting on the middle cable tie. External examinations failed at the 50 degree rear wheel arch and needs a spat extension to cover where the wheel protrudes into open space 40 degrees above the horizontal. The wing mirror mounting plates failed as did the front edge of the windscreen wipers where they have a shop edge close to the knurled drive nuts. The high intensity brake light failed as it was 15 degrees of the fore/aft axis of the car. The dash was fine except the examiner couldn't see the speed form 110-140 as his view was obscured. This is where both he and I discussed how odd the test was as he suggested that I could put it where the rev counter was. I pointed out that he could only see past the spokes because he was about 6 foot 5 inches tall and lookingdown at an angle and if the next examiner was 5 foot ten inches it would fail with which he agreed saying "it is very subjective". Brakes were great. Then came the fuel: As there was a communication where the loom comes through at the base of the rear cockpit bulkhead there was a connection and therefore the boot needed a drain to prevent the accumulation of fuel. This was a new one on me and is not so easy as there needs to be a pipe to route the fuel away from the hot exhaust which is right underneath at this point. The final point was one of the bolts securing the prop shaft hoop was torqued up but was not compressing the washers which were still loose. Not sure why so I will run a tap through the hole and refit it. Finally were the seats. The seats for the test that I have are out of a Smart Roadster and fit quite well if you are about 6 foot tall. However, I followed Stuart's advice about seat fitting not realising that there is a difference when the mounting point for the seatbelts is mounted to the seat rather than the floor of the vehicle. The remedy for this is to refashion the rear seat bracket to use the seat belt mounting holes to through bolt the seatbelt components to the chassis, mount the seatbelts to this which satisfies the seatbelt securing requirements and then the requirements for the seat bolts are much reduced.

Overall he told me that it was a good kit and well built. He also said that no kit had ever been passed by him first time. I am now going on holiday to come back and finish the few remaining jobs for a retest at the end of August.

More power to your elbows.

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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by amulheirn » Fri Jul 06, 2018 11:14 pm

Well done - I was in the same position a few months ago.

There aren’t many tests in life that are a straightforward pass/fail, so that’s quite harsh. And you don’t realise how emotionally invested you have become in the build. Main thing is you passed most of the 360-odd points and now just have a finite list of corrections to make. When I realised that I was quite reassured, did the work and passed the next time around.

Like you, I found the DVSA people (at Southampton) to be helpful, interested and not nit-picky as I had expected. I had forgotten to tighten a nut and adjust the headlamps, and he was happy for me to make such corrections there and then. Other failure items were uncorrectable on site unfortunately.

Keep up the good work, and good luck for next time. Enjoy the holiday. Will you be at the AGM at Silverstone?


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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by KevinW » Sat Jul 07, 2018 12:56 am

Although the immobiliser got you off to a bad start, the final list doesn't sound that bad at all to me. I'll be happy with a checklist that long, come next week.

I took my car for a brief shake down this week by booking it into a classic car place for some pre-IVA checks: headlights, carb mixture and brake test. All easily legalsied with a cover note from Backford & Bloor. Also gave me a chance to bed in the brakes on the 10 mile round trip. Car then baptised the garage with ~1/2 pint of coolant incontinence when i arrived back home.

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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by Cotton Mouth » Sat Jul 07, 2018 6:38 am

Dear Kevin and Andy,

Thank you for the kind words. I won't be at Silverstone this year as the car needs paint and trim. Next year Stu has issued a the 289 equivalent of a curse if I don't come, so I will be there. As to the coolant, on dire warnings of other members of "coolant incontinence" - such a great phrase, all the silicone hoses are bedded in sealant and the clamped down. The non setting blue stuff developed for spitfires (name escapes me at the moment) is my favourite as you can get it off your fingers after you have wrestled the hose into position. Good luck Kevin and many thanks for the help to both of you.

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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by StewbieC » Sun Jul 08, 2018 11:18 am

Blue Hylomar is the stuff to seal Silicon hoses otherwise they will remain incontinent and always at the most inconvenient time.
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Re: Well I said I would.............

Post by KevinW » Fri Jul 13, 2018 12:35 am

Well my IVA today at Gillingham did not go well with 39 fail points. 50% of these were entirely my own fault and largely in the 'minor electrical' category, and caused by me not being sufficiently prepared (too much at work to deal with beforehand) e.g. I had not properly rehearsed how to demonstrate the action of the immobiliser. Others were painful: VIN plate fail as it contained the word 'England', new VIN plate required. One of my major headaches is the upper seat belt mounting being insufficient, despite 48 cars before me with exactly the same arrangement passing OK (at ther IVA stations) . Does anyone have further details on how this is achieved on a Hawk, and/or a blog with pics they can point me to? I am going to have to be busy trying to work out how to add metalwork to a fully built car :( :(

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