DfT Roadworthiness Consultative Document

[peterc]

Roger thanks for that link.
It makes very good reading and I agree the FBHVC appear to have done a good job in advising the DfT of the complexity and reality of 'classic' cars in Great Britain.
I liked the way that they systematically argued against all the suggestions (and suppositions ) that had been made by the DfT which had been made without referral to the working committee!

The 64k dollar question now will be whether the DfT and the DVLA will act in our favour using the information provided or continue to bow down to suggestions from across the channel.
We await with interest.
Peter C

[Roger King]

...continue to bow down to suggestions from across the channel.
We await with interest.
Peter C

Peter, the greatest threat is from FIVA, which is not an EU body. What FIVA decides goes for other places too, like the USA etc. But they are still a threat to the hobby. Unfortunately the track record for UK governments taking any notice of what expert advice tells them is not good, but we can always hope! As you will all know by now, I am definitely not a conspiracy theorist, but that's only because they are all out to get me.

[Paul Blore]

To be fair, on the whole, we do okay in the UK when it comes to our hobby. It isn't perfect by any means, but we have much more freedom than most other European countries.

Paul

[Roger King]

To be fair, on the whole, we do okay in the UK when it comes to our hobby. It isn't perfect by any means, but we have much more freedom than most other European countries.

Paul

...at the moment!!!

[agnoraan]

To be fair, on the whole, we do okay in the UK when it comes to our hobby. It isn't perfect by any means, but we have much more freedom than most other European countries.

Paul

...at the moment!!!

Taken from another forum

"The mayor of London is proposing a £10 surcharge per day on top of the congestion charge for all cars registered before 2005.
He is also proposing even more stringent controls of emission cars and wants to extend the ULEZ zone to the north & south circular - it will become impossible to live within that area and still own/use an older car without prohibitive charges (fines).

Although he is trying to reduce emissions/air pollution it is the poorest people & historic cars that will get caught. Where London leads others follow - how long will it take to extend this area to the M25 boundary??


This is the same as in many European cities and is slowly being proposed for others in this country ( Southampton was mentioned in the local rag last night) Portsmouth has also begun the softening up process with tales of heavy pollution.

Tie this together with the MOT consultation just gone. As in Europe VHIs ARE allowed in if they have a certificate saying they are 100% stock ( per European VHI regs)".

[Dale Bowman]

Taken from another forum

Welcome back

[Roger King]

Where London leads others follow - how long will it take to extend this area to the M25 boundary??


This is the same as in many European cities and is slowly being proposed for others in this country ( Southampton was mentioned in the local rag last night) Portsmouth has also begun the softening up process with tales of heavy pollution.

A good example of this is these 20mph speed limits. They are not evidence-based in any way, yet are gradually cropping up all over the place as councils of more affluent villages see them as desirable and almost some kind of status symbol.* 20 now, LEZ next...

I love the idea of Portsmouth being concerned about pollution. They have a whole fleet of Type 45 destroyers tied up there at the moment as they have a major design fault - and according to Private Eye they can only keep one operational at any one time because of the massive amounts of energy they consume whilst moored and 'plugged in to the mains'. Obviously they have found a way around the laws of thermodynamics wherever that energy is produced at source. I suspect nowhere near Portsmouth.

*These are the same variety of person who campaigned long and hard for the move to diesel. Great idea...

[peterc]

As we all know the motorist is an easy target to pick on. Don't mention that more pollution comes out of cows.
The fact that most of industry is wasting energy is over looked as HM Gov doesn't want to upset them.
So if we get out of the EU are FIVA still going get what they want world wide?
Peter C

[agnoraan]

As we all know the motorist is an easy target to pick on. Don't mention that more pollution comes out of cows.
The fact that most of industry is wasting energy is over looked as HM Gov doesn't want to upset them.
So if we get out of the EU are FIVA still going get what they want world wide?
Peter C

Unfortunately yes, this goes beyond just the EU
Nige

[agnoraan]

Taken from another forum

Welcome back

Thanks Dale, I felt it important to reply to this topic as it has far reaching consequences for those with historically registered cars.

A very good friend of mine is heavily involved in attempting to deal with this legislation and as such I've been privy to an insight as to what is, or could be on the horizon

Unfortunately a lot of people thought that all of this legislation would either stop or go away by leaving the EU. The problem is that it's FIVA that is the main body bringing about the changes, along with EU legislation.

The problem with FIVA is that they want a universal definition of what constitutes a historic vehicle.
Whilst this could possibly be seen as a good idea, the reality is that they believe that a historic vehicle should be totally original, with zero modifications from the way it left the factory, even down to original paint etc. They call it a VHI, a vehicle of historic interest and to be classed as such it must be totally stock. They don't want historic vehicles being used as "dailys", or covering excessive mileage. When you look at the bigger picture it could be the death knell for the use of older vehicles as we know it.
Nige