Gentlemen,
Im about to fit a Passenger Grab Handle, the two fixing lugs are flat, the cockpit combing is curved. Gerry's suggestion is to file down a couple of tap washers to fit under the lugs. But, it would be neater if I could alter the lugs to fit. The handle seems to be cast alloy, so the question is, can they be bent to fit with the application of a little heat, I'd be reluctant to try it cold.
Has anybody tried this or do I stick with filing down the rubber washers.
Allan
Passenger Grab Handle
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Re: Passenger Grab Handle
I've fitted a few of these now - I file the handle to close to the right profile and use a thin rubber washer.
Re: Passenger Grab Handle
I filed down thick plastic washers to get the curve of the cockpit edge.
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I used a Dremel to grind a curve in the flat face of the handle lugs to match the scuttle edge.
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Re: Passenger Grab Handle
Correct me if I'm wrong Roger, but I think originals just used shaped washers - right? I found some that were a perfect fit Allan ... either from B&Q (Plumbing dept) or more likely roofing washers (for fixing corrugated roofing panels) from Jewson, or maybe off the web, I just can't remember...
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Re: Passenger Grab Handle
As far as we can tell, original street cars just had a thin rubber washer (approx. 1/8") under each end, with the end of the handle shaped to roughly fit the body. It's possible there was a specific Cobra handle, but frankly I rather doubt it: the British motor industry didn't work that way in the 50s and early 60s. I've discussed this in the past with Dan Case, whose thoughts are as follows:
Hello Roger,
Based on my experience trying to make very expensive new old replacement stock (genuine O.E.M. standard handles from the 1970s) parts work on a friend's Cobra I convinced myself that handles for Cobras were made specifically to fit Cobras. I tried to bend a very expensive part to match the one on my red car and it snapped like glass. The casting alloy used just could not stand being bent. Scratch a bunch of money for such a small piece. I had a second one I had set aside for the red car someday. I used a pedestal belt sander to shape the ends enough to work. Shaping the ends still wouldn't allow the holes in the standard part to fit the mounting holes AC drilled for a Cobra part so I had to enlarge both holes a little and bend one of the screws.
Original Cobra handles don't follow the curve vertically. The result are small gaps. On my black car there are remains of rubber gaskets under the feet. I have seen similar worn remains on other unrestored cars if the cars have never been repainted or if they were repainted long ago. I cut rubber washers to use on my red car and my friend's car.
The 'black' and 'red' cars Dan refers to are his own Cobras, CSX2310 and CSX2551. Obviously he has been fitting handles to cars that already had the mounting holes through the aluminium skin and steel tube, making it much harder. So - I don't think thick nylon blocks etc. are the best way to go, but it comes down to personal preference - and, as with a lot of elements of sixties classic car ownership, don't expect perfection!
Hope that helps!
Roger
edit - and don't forget - raised countersunk chrome slotted screws - NO PHILLIPS/POZIDRIV!! 2BA from memory.
Hello Roger,
Based on my experience trying to make very expensive new old replacement stock (genuine O.E.M. standard handles from the 1970s) parts work on a friend's Cobra I convinced myself that handles for Cobras were made specifically to fit Cobras. I tried to bend a very expensive part to match the one on my red car and it snapped like glass. The casting alloy used just could not stand being bent. Scratch a bunch of money for such a small piece. I had a second one I had set aside for the red car someday. I used a pedestal belt sander to shape the ends enough to work. Shaping the ends still wouldn't allow the holes in the standard part to fit the mounting holes AC drilled for a Cobra part so I had to enlarge both holes a little and bend one of the screws.
Original Cobra handles don't follow the curve vertically. The result are small gaps. On my black car there are remains of rubber gaskets under the feet. I have seen similar worn remains on other unrestored cars if the cars have never been repainted or if they were repainted long ago. I cut rubber washers to use on my red car and my friend's car.
The 'black' and 'red' cars Dan refers to are his own Cobras, CSX2310 and CSX2551. Obviously he has been fitting handles to cars that already had the mounting holes through the aluminium skin and steel tube, making it much harder. So - I don't think thick nylon blocks etc. are the best way to go, but it comes down to personal preference - and, as with a lot of elements of sixties classic car ownership, don't expect perfection!
Hope that helps!
Roger
edit - and don't forget - raised countersunk chrome slotted screws - NO PHILLIPS/POZIDRIV!! 2BA from memory.
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Re: Passenger Grab Handle
Sorry Roger,
I'm going to use Pozdriv, I cant stand the idea of the screw driver skidding across my paintwork!!
Allan
I'm going to use Pozdriv, I cant stand the idea of the screw driver skidding across my paintwork!!
Allan
Re: Passenger Grab Handle
Not sure if still correct but I found this picture on CSX2323 (if saved correctly)
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Re: Passenger Grab Handle
That looks about right. Rubber washer behind chrome handle (with reflection of washer on paintwork), with slotted raised countersunk 2BA screw.ALF wrote:Not sure if still correct but I found this picture on CSX2323 (if saved correctly)
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Re: Passenger Grab Handle
Hi Guys,
Project completed, and Roger I did use sloted screws as they had the correct sized heads?
Just out of interest, I filed the lugs to fit the horizontal curvature, then filed the tap washers to fit the vertical.
Thanks for all the input
Allan
Project completed, and Roger I did use sloted screws as they had the correct sized heads?
Just out of interest, I filed the lugs to fit the horizontal curvature, then filed the tap washers to fit the vertical.
Thanks for all the input
Allan