Knock-on wheels: anti-sieze?

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Knock-on wheels: anti-sieze?

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For those with knock-on wheels (Trigo, FIA or Sunbursts):

Is standard copper grease OK as an anti-seize or is there something special I need to purchase before I clonk the wheel and spinner on with a hammer?

I am assuming I should apply the anti-seize lightly to the main hub thread that the spinner goes on and the seating bevel that the spinner sits on, on the wheel. Anywhere else this needs to be applied? Drive pins?
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Hi I've always used Copper Slip to good effect.
On the threads, splines or pins and on the tapers.
Are you going to wire the spinners too?
I always do.
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Thanks Kev, yup, that's the plan. Hopefully should be completed at the front this w/e or next.
I've got the lockwire and the tool (and the Youtube video) ready to go.
Still dithering about the rear hubs.
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It is vital with any new knock on wheel that you remove any paint that might be on the cone faces. Not so much a problem with alloy wheels, but steel wires often come with painted cone seating areas. I would remove paint from under the seating bevel as well.
Leaving the paint on can cause the wheel to come loose. The most common outcome though is a ruined wheel, the wheels fret on the paint as they move around and in a very short time the cone faces are destroyed.
Wheel manufacturers do not have any warning notices about this. MWS are particularly bad as they always paint the cones, both in and out despite having been sent repeated emails.
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Thanks, but what is the cone face? - the chamfer/bevelled radius that thee spinner sits down on?
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Yes
The conical face of the wheel that mates to the hub on the inside of the wheel, and the mating face on the outside on the wheel that the spinner seats on. These faces must not be painted. I suspect that the face of any wheel that a sleeve sits against on an alloy wheel must also be cleaned of paint, but I have had no experience of fretting with these.
On cars with steel wires that have had paint left on them the wheels wobble exactly like a wheel bearing has failed, at this stage when the mating faces are examined deep pitting is usually evident, and no matter how tight the spinner is knocked up the wheel will still have play.
Examples I have seen have had both the hub and the wheel faces ruined.
Every new wheel should have a tag warning of this, but alas they don't.
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I apply Copper grease to the treads and mating surfaces.
the only other option is an Aluminum based grease, like Alumslip - which has some benefits , one of which is it does not leave a brown stain when it heats up and starts to make its way out onto the face of the wheel.

I also use safety wire - which is an indicator - ie they should have a little slack so you know if the spinner moves -
best wire is Aero grade safety wire and can be cheaper if you buy it in a big roll.
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KevinW wrote: Thu Jun 18, 2020 10:37 am I've got the lockwire and the tool (and the Youtube video) ready to go.
You’ll find the lockwire tool easy and very satisfying to use. To me, lockwired spinners look “proper”

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Whilst we are on the subject of Halibrands, what do you guys use as spinners for the IVA test as the 3 eared ones are obviously not suitable?
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I'll be on the lookout for a set of IVA happy nuts, as and when I get that far.
Fully aware that the 3 legged spinners don't cut it.
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