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Came across this last night. Selling it unregistered and requiring IVA

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/282337269396
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If they were seriously wanting that sort of money they would need to prove that it is IVA compliant.
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It does seem odd to build it and then not register it
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The BIVA test is for amateur built cars and the ad states that this one has been professionally built. Even if it is built to IVA spec, "Joe Public" wouldn't be able to register it. It could be made to pass a test, but would receive a "Q" plate if it passed, as it wasn't built by the owner presenting it for the test. At that price it's one hell of a gamble to hope it would pass without too much retrospective work.

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With all new parts (and all paperwork, obvs), but a 'pre-emmisions' RV8, could this get a current registration, like what Edd did on Wheeler Dealers with the GD, or have the regs changed a bit since then?
It's such a shame to see nice looking cars like this getting into these situations...
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nikbj68 wrote:With all new parts (and all paperwork, obvs), but a 'pre-emmisions' RV8, could this get a current registration, like what Edd did on Wheeler Dealers with the GD, or have the regs changed a bit since then?
It's such a shame to see nice looking cars like this getting into these situations...
No, the reason Edd got a '12 plate on the GD was because they fitted a new crate motor, which wasn't mentioned on the TV hence the need for catalytic converters. For IVA purposes, and for it to have an age related plate, it would have to use the engine and transmission as having come from the "donor" . You would also need the date code on the engine and gearbox to match ie same year of manufacture, and there should also be proof of the donor Rover/Discovery/Range Rovers existence with the log book for said vehicle, with the engine number in that log book. Failing that it's straight for a Q plate, as it would be classed as a vehicle using parts of undeterminate age as there wouldn't be a single donor vehicle.

It's a whole can of worms and is probably best left unopened. If it were that easy, then why didn''t the professional builder put it through the test?

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agnoraan wrote:...they fitted a new crate motor, which wasn't mentioned on the TV hence the need for catalytic converters.
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Ha! That's funny, a chap who came to look at my Cobra on the Walled Towns Trail told me he worked for the guy who owned the GD, and that they blew the engine on Mike's 'test drive'! :lol:

That makes more sense, when you have all the facts.
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agnoraan wrote:For IVA purposes, and for it to have an age related plate, it would have to use the engine and transmission as having come from the "donor" .
Hi Nige,

I'm no authority on IVA, far from it, but that doesn't seem to ring quite right with what I've read elsewhere. I recall that there are a number of key assemblies from the donor, a minimum number of which must be used, but I didn't think that the engine and gearbox HAD to be one of them. The engine has to be of proven age to avoid emission testing, but it could be any engine, with no relevant history to the donor.

I may have that completely wrong, so could someone confirm either way please.

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Paul Blore wrote:
agnoraan wrote:For IVA purposes, and for it to have an age related plate, it would have to use the engine and transmission as having come from the "donor" .
Hi Paul, I think that you've read this out of context,I wasn't saying that the engine and gearbox HAD to be one of them I was saying that only the engine and box in this case could be used to register the car. :wink:

the IVA manual states that:

"If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) is used with two original major components from the donor vehicle, a replacement registration number will be issued based on the age of the donor vehicle."

The "major components" are listed as:

- Axles (both)
- suspension (front and back)
- Engine
- Transmission
- Steering Assembly

Most kits use engine and box or front and rear suspensions complete and the BUI form ( Built Up Inspection) form asks for source of certain components.
Built Up Inspection form V627/1

http://www.direct.gov.uk/prod_consum.../dg_065268.pdf


As the car in question doesn't ( as such) have two major components from a donor vehicle, the only eligible parts could be the Rover engine and 'box. As you rightly say "it could be any engine, with no relevant history to the donor." though in this instance there are no other eligible parts from a donor, so the engine and 'box from a donor Rover could be used for registration purposes.The engine number needs to match the V5C AND it has to have taxation history ie you can't just swap in an engine or add the details to the V5C for the "donor" Rover and claim it's always been there , you need to show it in road use . That could then be classed as the donor.

If all new parts are used throughout, though I believe that you can use an older engine, then you could put it through as a new vehicle and get a 2017 registration plate, which would have to comply with all current emissions regulations etc

Bear in mind that we're talking of getting an age related plate here. You could use any mixture of components to build a car, but when it passes the test it would be designated a "Q" plate as the parts are of "indeterminate age and origin"

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